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Post by Dani on May 17, 2013 22:46:56 GMT -5
Worst Heels: All of Jose's characters (I went there lol) and anybody from WKF not named Syn.
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Post by Hano Eiyu on May 18, 2013 2:11:56 GMT -5
Best Heel: Curtis Wilkes. The dude's a friggin' psycho!
Worst Heel: There was this one character who used to be a face character. His gimmick was something of a complete good guy, something like Hulk Hogan, but without any "Hulkamaniac". It actually was your superhero saint kind of gimmick. But the execution of a heel turn? It turns out that the dude's a closet child molester. I'm just like:
WTF?!
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Post by Leon Lonewolf on May 18, 2013 13:20:59 GMT -5
Best Heel: Elite, Morrison
Worst Heel: Leon Lonewolf, Mariano Fernandez
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Post by SJ Funk on May 18, 2013 16:34:24 GMT -5
Not all of mine are PCW related.
Best:- The Elite, The Red Star Revolution (and not because the main 3 characters are my cuz' guys), School of Hard Knocks (Ryan Matthews, Dan Horrey and Another who's name slips my mind), Dan Easton.
Worst: Me as a heel SJ... Yes there was a time, and yup you figured it was bad. A guy called Dean Hobkirk (and the rest of the Hobkirk family). Oh and three I'll never forget for the wrong reasons.... The Insane Dutch Clowns - Sort of ICP meets IT. I can only remember their names due to being the only Dutch I know (Cause I had to google their names.) - Gek, which means Crazy. Gestoord which was Deranged and their manager / leader - Psychotisch which is obviously Psychotic. Oh and my hardcore maniac - Mad Dog... He was sort of My Terry Funk (didn't get much hype as a heel - aka Chainsaw Charlie, but as a face, he was better received.)
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Post by Al Pérez on May 19, 2013 12:11:46 GMT -5
Best Heels: I will go back and name this at a later date.
Worst Heels: I will say my own character Kilo Pérez, just because I never really executed it well. In practice, it was a good idea and I did win one title under the heel gimmick, but looking back...that's a move I shouldn't have made. There's probably more on that list, but I'm really blanking hard at the moment. :/
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Post by Draven Logan Kennedy on May 22, 2013 3:38:43 GMT -5
i could say during our first run i was a great heel and then went into a tweener state of mind but you know of course the whole elite things was off the hook has been since the first run.
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Post by Papi El Sueno on Jun 3, 2013 23:07:30 GMT -5
Alright everybody. We're going to have another round of the mother fuckin' roundtable. I plan on helping keep this thing alive and I thought of this at work today so figured might as well have a go. The latest topic of discussion is... *Drum roll* Tournaments!
Tournaments? Are you fucking kidding me?
All joking aside, I know all fans of professional wrestling (or were fans for some of us who refuse to watch the watered down product of the big companies) know that there have been some tournaments in the sport and the game of e-fedding is the same with number one contendership tournaments, tag team tournaments, interfed tournaments and etc.
This is to discuss the best/worst tournaments you have ever been a part of, and where you stand on tournaments in e-fedding in general.
And go...
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Post by Hano Eiyu on Jun 3, 2013 23:23:15 GMT -5
Best tournament: One Trilogy
From another e-fed, but this is actually one of my favorites because I got to RP against more than 1 competitor. I RP'ed against 6 more in one promo.
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Post by Dani on Jun 4, 2013 12:49:45 GMT -5
Since I have only really been here for the most part, I'm going to witness what I have seen from either YCW or PCW.
The Best: The four person tournament to crown the first ever Platinum Champion. While I was bounced out of the tourney by Kerry Collins (who would win it and had the longest reign until recently), it was fun to compete in it and I gained valuable experience. Being still technically in my rookie year at that time, I can say I did well for myself in hanging in there RP wise.
The Worst: While I was not in this tournament (I was technically still on hiatus but building up what would be a nice feud with Heather Monroe), I would say the tag team tournament to crown new PCW World Tag Team Champions in the first run after Da Dynasty got stripped of the gold by Shannon Taint. Why do I say that? Because it could have been better if there weren't no shows. On the bright side, it did result in a pretty good finals match at Blackout between the Warrens' and DNA. It was good for what it was, but it could have been so much better.
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Post by Syn on Aug 21, 2013 0:18:56 GMT -5
We haven't done one of these in a while, and I figured with what has happened as of late both IRL Wrestling and in E-Fed Wrestling, I'd give it a couple of shocks and bring it back to life.
Best Face and Heel Turns.
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Post by stryker on Aug 21, 2013 0:49:18 GMT -5
Best face turn in RL might have to be Dolph Ziggler's. You knew it was all but official but they way it happened witht he double switch with Del Rio was probably the best.
Worst had to be Del Rio's at TLC last year. It was just random as hell and never caught wind.
In Efedding I think the tweener turn I had leading up to Battle Finale 3 was kinda cool albit short lived.
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Post by Papi El Sueno on Aug 21, 2013 8:48:17 GMT -5
Best Face Turn: Stone Cold Steve Austin at WM 13. It was the double turn really, but Austin refusing to give up while wearing the crimson mask would turn him face and it was a major step into making him one of the hottest names in wrestling history.
Best Heel Turn: I'm going to venture out into 1998 and say The Rock at Survivor Series. It's another double turn scenario as Mankind would turn face from heel (officially), but it was damn well done despite the finish itself being a rehash of the Montreal Screwjob a year prior, but it worked well into giving Rock a nice run and make him a permanent main eventer and it led to Foley winning his first title and he did damn good as a face. Still like watching that to this day.
Worst Face Turn: I'm going with Miz. It just felt rushed and last time I watched Raw, he just wasn't doing anything to make the fans like him. Could be because I never liked Miz to begin with, but it just didn't feel all natural.
Worst Heel Turn: Anything that has to do with Aces and Eights. I watch TNA mostly these days (stopped with WWE about five months ago), but anything that has to do with turning and joining the Aces and 0.8's is just... ugh! I hate that stable and it's beyond ran it's course in my opinion.
In E-Fedding: I'm gonna be a little biased and say Terrell Ryder turning heel. That angle just played out all too well as Terrell cost one of his best friends his job and joined up with the evil Morgan Simmons, and he participated in the biggest screwjob in PCW at Wrestle Extravaganza IV. Now he and Morgan are into some deep shit with Team Lethality, The Disciples of Syn, Fatality Inc and etc coming after them. Good times.
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Post by stryker on Aug 21, 2013 8:50:42 GMT -5
The Aces and 8s stable had such potiental. It had the chance to be NWO of TNA but by being it's own thing but they ruined it the moment everyone and their grandma started joining.
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Post by Dani on Aug 21, 2013 14:37:02 GMT -5
I'll skip the RL wrestling bit as I don't watch wrestling anymore and I can't really remember a whole lot off the top of my head. Best E-Fedding Face Turn: This is from early on in my career and I'm going to be biased in this one as this did end up helping me a bit (I did play a part in this), but I have to say Nathan turning Generation Next at Battle Finale II. Starting with Da Dynasty and Gen-Next ending up being in cahoots with each other and my favorite moment being after the Danielle/Talia match where we got commemorative title belts. The latter being the start of the in-character BFF relationship between Danielle and Talia that's still strong to this very day. Not to mention it was the catalyst towards a lot of good things happening, one which is my group, Team Lethality. Best E-Fedding Heel Turn: This one's a tough one but considering my enjoyment of it so far, I'm also going to state the Terrell Ryder one (that's also the one that comes to the top of my head at the moment). Although Ryder hasn't appeared much like he did when he was a face, his impact as a heel has been felt whenever he does come, whether it was Battle Finale or my match against Syn at Wrestle Extravaganza, Terrell is an impacting heel character.
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Post by Syn on Aug 23, 2013 1:59:37 GMT -5
Best Face Turns: Daniel Bryan. It was probably the most organically done Face Turn in recent memory. He was so over after WM 29 that The 'E's Brass milked it for all it was worth, and in the process turned Bryan into the most over Babyface that they have had in years.
Best Heel Turns: Mr. McMahon. It was, and probably still is, one of the best heel turns ever, and it was all brought about by real life situations. For years Vinnie Mac was the guy behind the booth who made all of Undertaker's Matches sound 100x better (Like JR does for Austin), but in the beginning of '97 found himself being in many confrontations with the wrestlers and being outed as the Boss. I won't get into the Brett Hart thing, but at Survivor Series that year, he created the ultimate heel figure. He still draws better heat than most of the roster.
Worst Face Turns: Triple H's 2002 Turn. It's like, I get that he had the greatest pop of all time when he came back, and he was missed like hell. But that entire Turn was just terrible.
Worst Heel Turns: Rikishi. .....They fucked this heel turn all the way up.
In Fedding:
Best Face Turns: Err.....damn. I haven't seen any great Face Turns just yet. I've mostly just seen Heel Turns.
Best Heel Turn: Terrell Ryder. He's had a hand in most of the major happenings in PCW since turning heel, such as Morgan being the GM and The Match Result at W.E.
Worst Face Turns: Syn. Yeah...back in ACW, Syn very briefly had a face run at the end of the company's tenure. While the writing lead it to be the obvious thing to do, it was....very lackluster. Syn can function as a tweener or fan fave, but never a face.
Worst Heel Turns: The Bromance. ......This was kinda done purely for shock value. There was no lead in or build, or circumstance where it was logical. They kinda just....turned.
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Post by stryker on Aug 23, 2013 20:01:24 GMT -5
How about your most favorite moment in wrestling?
Mine was the kick heard round the world when Shawn Michaels broke up the rockers for ever.
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Post by Papi El Sueno on Aug 24, 2013 0:22:19 GMT -5
I'mma go with Austin stunning McMahon for the very first time. That was huge and it was the catalyst for that rivalry that spanned for years.
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Post by Leon Lonewolf on Sept 18, 2013 13:59:19 GMT -5
all of the above for me. If I was to add one, I would say the DX Press Conference. It was short, bubt it was one of the best DX moments of the Attitude Era
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Post by stryker on Sept 18, 2013 14:42:25 GMT -5
you talking bout the one where the just cursed the whole time? That was awesome!
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Post by Papi El Sueno on Nov 22, 2013 20:02:14 GMT -5
We sure as hell haven't had one of these in a long long loooooooooong time! And I have been brainstorming about this particular topic for a while now. Today's topic in the Premium Roundtable is insider terms being used in an in-character format, or basically, going into OOC type terms in an in-character format (more likely I have explained this completely wrong and it sounded great in my head). Do you feel its necessary? Do you feel its BS that shouldn't be used? Should it be encouraged? Should you discourage it with fire? And discuss. I'll give my views on this a little later.
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Post by stryker on Nov 22, 2013 20:47:17 GMT -5
so you mean breaking keyfabe as your character? If that's the case as long as it's done properly it could be cool but don't do it just to be cool.
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Post by Papi El Sueno on Nov 22, 2013 20:51:58 GMT -5
so you mean breaking keyfabe as your character? Yes, basically that. Glad somebody can explain it in better words than I can lol.
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Post by LiamJR24 on Nov 22, 2013 21:11:28 GMT -5
Assuming I understand the question (it took me a few minutes, and a call down to the team that cracked the Enigma Code, but hopefully I got there), it all depends on who it is that's doing it.
For example, Smith Jones calls himself a heel all the time but he makes it work. I know, from my own POV, that I use OOC terminology all the time on my fed twitter account, because it represents my character from a shoot perspective, and I like to think that I make that work too.
As long as it's done properly, I don't see any problems with it.
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Post by Dani on Nov 22, 2013 22:09:26 GMT -5
I'm definitely not a fan of the 'insider' terms being used in an in-character setting as it just feels tacky to me and it's kind of useless, especially on Twitter as its an outlet to further your in-character stuff in an in-character manner, and I feel in any capacity, shoots and that stuff isn't necessary because somebody could either take it the wrong way (far more likely to happen), somebody's character gets buried in the process (far less likely but not a good thing either way), or all of the above. It could cause a really bad situation, and unfortunately, we all know a thing or two about bad situations.
So basically, while I am not a fan of it being used per say, as long as its done properly, it should be fine. Sad part, the last part is few and far in-between.
Off topic, I'm also not a fan of translating OOC drama into in-character stuff, although I regrettably have done that before, and it was completely unneeded on my behalf.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 23, 2013 0:26:35 GMT -5
Eh. I'm not really a fan of people having their characters talk about the business like it's fake. I think it should always be real IC. I understand breaking keyfabe at hall of fame inductions and stuff, but I don't think twitter is the place to do it....That's just me. I believe your characters should talk about it like it's real.
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Post by LiamJR24 on Nov 23, 2013 1:36:20 GMT -5
I think it's possible to do both. Smith Jones does it perfectly and I think he utilises twitter perfectly for his character, better than almost anyone. I think characters having that sort of self awareness adds another dimension to them and keeps them fresh.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 23, 2013 19:40:09 GMT -5
Alright, guys. I have went back, and done some more thinking on this subject, and I could be wrong, but I have came to the conclusion that we all handle our characters like this to a point. Take some of my characters for example. They spend alot of time talking to their girlfriend on twitter, and it's usually about going out on dates or having "fun" with eachother. I'm pretty sure they are OOC when they have those conversations, and this is kinda why I think that. Why would a pro wrestler spend that much time role playing with their wife/girlfriend/husband/boyfriend on twitter? I'm pretty sure when they talk about going out to eat or going to bed with eachother, they ACTUALLY do that stuff. SO yeah. We all handle our characters from a OOC stand point to a point. I personally think that characters should be 100% IC during twitter wars though. Why? Because of this reason. It is possible you will have one character talking about the business like it's "fake", and the character they're arguing with is talking about it like it's "real", and that's when it gets confusing to some people. That's just the conclusion I came up with though. I apologise if this was too long.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 23, 2013 19:43:58 GMT -5
Also I'm not always the best at coming up with words, so if I used any wrong words, or didn't make much sence in that last post, I apologize.
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Post by Papi El Sueno on Nov 23, 2013 20:02:33 GMT -5
Alright, guys. I have went back, and done some more thinking on this subject, and I could be wrong, but I have came to the conclusion that we all handle our characters like this to a point. Take some of my characters for example. They spend alot of time talking to their girlfriend on twitter, and it's usually about going out on dates or having "fun" with eachother. I'm pretty sure they are OOC when they have those conversations, and this is kinda why I think that. Why would a pro wrestler spend that much time role playing with their wife/girlfriend/husband/boyfriend on twitter? I'm pretty sure when they talk about going out to eat or going to bed with eachother, they ACTUALLY do that stuff. SO yeah. We all handle our characters from a OOC stand point to a point. I personally think that characters should be 100% IC during twitter wars though. Why? Because of this reason. It is possible you will have one character talking about the business like it's "fake", and the character they're arguing with is talking about it like it's "real", and that's when it gets confusing to some people. That's just the conclusion I came up with though. I apologise if this was too long. You're right to a point. However, the insider like terms such as "face", "heel" (only Smith Jones could pull that off with success if we're being honest), "push" and etc, should never be used regardless and that should never be talked about in any form when it is an e-fed character speaking (the handlers themselves can do it, but my standpoint is never allow the character to do it), because it could unintentionally bury a character, could bury a storyline handlers worked so hard to work on (unfortunately I fell into that part which I will say right now - I do apologize for such if such a thing happened with Saint's asshole like commentary and anything else that comes to mind), or worst case scenario - cause a big form of drama (some probably know what I'm referencing here). My overall take on it, is while I somewhat understand why people do it, but about 99% of us try and make it come off as real as possible and never talk about insider terms or whatever. You should always keep it in-character when it comes to the character and save the OOC stuff for well... you yourself as the handler, because when you mix the two together, you sometimes cannot tell whether it is a complete shoot against the handler themselves, the character, or both.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 23, 2013 20:07:10 GMT -5
That's why I have my characters always quote those words when they use them.
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