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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 23, 2013 20:12:34 GMT -5
By the way, does that mean no more characters talking about having "fun" on twitter?
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Post by Papi El Sueno on Nov 23, 2013 20:16:09 GMT -5
Same. I would never outright say anything about any of it just because its tacky and it comes off more like some OOC beef, and that should always be avoided.
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Post by Papi El Sueno on Nov 23, 2013 20:20:18 GMT -5
By the way, does that mean no more characters talking about having "fun" on twitter? I think that's applicable since I believe that implies sex.
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Post by cyborg878 on Nov 23, 2013 20:49:29 GMT -5
What's wrong with using insider terms? It really isn't an issue at all, let alone one that's debate worthy. Smith pulls it off well. Liam and I have used it well it the past. Using those terms are really beneficial to anti-establishment characters. It can show a separation between a certain character and the fed or the character and the authority. There is a difference between causing drama and using insider terms as a part of your character.
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Post by LiamJR24 on Nov 23, 2013 20:56:06 GMT -5
I'd also add that there's a difference between using "insider" terms like face and heel, and full on exposing the business. If I were to tweet something like "I lost to Adrien Cochrane because the bookers don't know what they're doing", that would be stupid. I discuss things like booking on my ask.fm page, because that's basically a written version of what Liam's Youshoot video would be like. Simply using insider terms is something completely different.
Fans know that wrestlers are self-aware (one look at the CM Punk angle from 2011 is evidence enough for that), so I don't think it's beyond the realms of reason that they'd use such terms on things like twitter.
In fact, my whole argument can be summed up by saying - CM Punk 2011. The end.
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Post by cyborg878 on Nov 23, 2013 23:38:30 GMT -5
Here's a dual part question:
Finishers/signatures: How many are too many? Should the same move be used by more than one character as a finisher/signature?
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 23, 2013 23:57:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure how many is too many to be honest. I suppose it depends. Some might say Reaper has too many finishers, but I take him as someone who gets easily bored using the same type of moves, so I gave him 2 finishers for about every catagory. Not EVERY catagory, but ALMOST every catagory. Two front finishers. Two back finishers. One diving finisher (with a downed opponent laying on their back), Two finishers on the legs of an opponent laying on their back, one running finisher, and a finisher with his opponent sitting on the top turnbuckle. Okay so he only has one finisher for some of those catagory, but I like to think it works. Especially since he usually hits or locks in a second one after hitting the Black Hole Gore.
As for people having the same finishers.....I don't know. It could depend on how big the roster is.
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Post by LiamJR24 on Nov 24, 2013 0:11:10 GMT -5
I have 5 (I think) for Liam Reilly, but I usually rotate their usage. I agree that it makes it more interesting to have a few, but there are definitely limits. I definitely wouldn't have more than 2-3 (2 impact, 1 submission) that were used regularly (the only finishers that were ever written into my matches were the Redemption Denied and The Redeemer).
As for two wrestlers having the same finisher, I think if those wrestlers are connected IC then it's completely understandable. I think with the innovative nature of the business nowadays, I think most wrestlers in a roster of 30-40 wrestlers should have their own unique finisher(s).
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 24, 2013 12:07:10 GMT -5
I guess it can work for some people. I would like to think I make it work with Reaper. I wanted to give Reaper a Goldberg like combination, but I didn't want him to be so predictable with it, so I decided to give him options.
First lets look at Goldberg. After he hit the Spear, he usually if not always went for the Jackhammer.
With Reaper, I would want the fans to think "Well. Reaps is more than likely going to go for the Black Hole Gore, but what's he going to do AFTER he hits it? Is he going to just go for the pin (which he actually can do sometimes.)? or is he going to hit/lock in one of his other finishers? and if he does go for one of his other finishers, which one will it be?" Sometimes his matches don't even end with him using the Black Hole Gore, but he usually hits the Black Hole Gore followed by another finisher. Not always though. Like I said, sometimes he goes straight for the pin after hitting the Black Hole Gore, and there's even times when matches don't end with him using the Black Hole Gore.
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Post by cyborg878 on Nov 24, 2013 13:43:21 GMT -5
Yeah, but Goldberg had 2 finishers So it's different. You have a lot more. I understand the want for variety, but when half of a person's moveset consists of signatures and finishers, that's a bit much dont'cha think?
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 24, 2013 13:52:31 GMT -5
Not really. Because Reaper has alot of normal moves.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 24, 2013 14:54:42 GMT -5
To me, it all depends on how they're used. Reaper usually only uses three signiture moves per match unless you count the Black Hole Gore which is kinda used as a signiture although it's a finisher because like I said, he usually hits another finisher after hitting it, not always, but usually.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 24, 2013 14:56:30 GMT -5
I will say that if someone had 20 finishers....That WOULD be rediculous. I don't plan on even giving Reaper a tenth finisher. I notice alot of characters (that don't belong to me) have about five or six finishers though. Isn't that alot too? Nine is only three more than Six.
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Post by cyborg878 on Nov 24, 2013 15:00:12 GMT -5
You're right some characters have 5 or 6 which is a lot. I'm planning on removing some finishers for my characters with that problem, but 9 is crazy. For me 9 finishers says either a character is too 'over powered' or confused.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 24, 2013 15:03:00 GMT -5
Well. I could remove some of mine, but.....My OCD would probably drive me insane.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 24, 2013 15:07:38 GMT -5
I also wouldn't know which ones to keep, and which ones to get rid of.
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Post by Leon Lonewolf on Nov 25, 2013 3:11:28 GMT -5
Of course, there is the minimum 2. I would say 5 would be the max, but only if some were rarely used or assigned to different reasons to use them.
EG: Leon has quite a few finishers. The popular ones are my Lionheart Powerbomb and my Wolfpack Assault submission. I have a Tombstone as a very rare finisher and some submissions such as a Liontamer and Crossface rare ones as well, mainly used in Submission Matches.
My main signatures are the Chokeslam and Lionsault. I also have a Spear and Top Rope Clothesline as rare signatures, and a weapon-exclusive signature, a powerfu, kendo stick attack.
Long story short, 2 main ones, max. 3 rare ones each.
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Post by stryker on Nov 25, 2013 10:07:03 GMT -5
i think the moment you have to ask if its to many, then it's to many. Now look at Stryker he has 2 finishers, the ssp and ddt, and 4 signatures, the first stryke super kick, sto, springboard crossbody, and the konami code. He has has what I call no finisher finishers. They are his submission holds. I placed them in signatures but he can end a match with them easily as evident of multiple matches.
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Post by Papi El Sueno on Nov 25, 2013 10:38:55 GMT -5
I'll use the character with my name sake as the example. For James Baker, I tend to have three finishers he'll normally use, but over the years, he'll learn new moves. In total, I have like five for him, but two of them are used in situational purposes. Like the Curb Stomp onto a Spiked Baseball Bat is used only in Hardcore matches and segments that are intended to make a brutal statement with a lot of blood. And of course, the Shooting Star Press (which he's had since 2003) is only used sporadically in big moments since he can't really use it regularly anymore due to the constant amount of injuries his knees have suffered over the years (its dangerously close to Rey Mysterio/Kevin Nash levels).
Overall for me, there isn't an exact number for too much, but I will concur with Stryker that if you start asking if what you have is too many, chances are, its too many.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 25, 2013 13:45:48 GMT -5
Well. Most of Reaper's finishers are kinda rare (key word there being kinda). His main finisher is probably the Black Hole Gore. That's the one finisher he at least tries to do in every match. He usually goes for a second finisher after hitting the Black Hole Gore, but not always, and as for his signitures. He has alot, but he usually only does three per match, and the one signiture move he goes for in EVERY match is the Reapist's Leg drop (Basically take the People's Elbow, change the Elbow drop to a Leg drop, and there you go), and the Death Bomb is a finisher I created incase Reaper ever wants to put someone through the anouncement table....He uses it in matches from time to time too though, and the Death from Above (Diving Moonsault) is probably the most rare finisher he has. He only does it when he feels like trying to end the match by flying.
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Post by cyborg878 on Nov 25, 2013 15:28:41 GMT -5
I just don't see why one character would logically need 9 different finishers.. it seems like too much in my opinion. As it is I have 5 or 6 for two characters and I'm thinking "damn that's a lot I should consider removing a move or two".
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 25, 2013 16:05:37 GMT -5
I understand, and I apologize. You're right. It's crazy. I'm also crazy, and I've been told I'm crazy. If it hurts anyone. I apologize. Anyways. I have a new topic, and it may sound kinda stupid, and I won't be suprised if noone gives their opinion on this subject, but.......Character apps! "character apps!? Are you kidding me!?" No....I am not. What's the MOST important, and the LEAST important part of an app in your opinion? I'll go first. Most important: The characters name. How can you even book a character if they have no name?....I think I said enough to make my point there. Least impiortant: Pic bases! *hears everyone booing* Calm down! I'm not bashing pic bases at all. Pic bases are awesome! Without pic bases we can't make twitter accounts for our characters. We actually can, but they will be boring, and have no photos, but seriously, pic bases are not really needed as long as the character has a good physical description, but I can deffinitely see why feds make you post them, and they are awesome! .....Just not that needed when you actually think about it.
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Post by LiamJR24 on Nov 25, 2013 18:26:14 GMT -5
Most important: I'd say virtually every part of the app is important. It helps give matchwriters an idea of what to add/leave out and how to write the characters. I'd say even picbases are important, to help the audience visualise the character better and to give the writers a better idea of the realistic limitations of each character.
Least important: For me, the gimmick. I don't think it's necessary to explain your gimmick in an app. For the most part, you should be able to convey the details of your character's gimmick through your segs and your RPs.
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Post by stryker on Nov 25, 2013 18:57:51 GMT -5
I agree with Liam here. I believe the gimmick is the least important. Once again take a look at Stryker. When I first created the app I had no gimmick itself. However over time I developed into a new character personality with the Savage Wolf then changed again when the God of War nickname came about. Point is as a character and rper, you are constantly changing in your style and personality that a gimmick can come and go in an instance.
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Post by Leon Lonewolf on Nov 25, 2013 20:52:16 GMT -5
Most Important: Everything
Least Important...height. It sounds important, yeah, but i havent seen anything where height came into play.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 25, 2013 22:07:19 GMT -5
Nah. Height isn't important at all...Weight kinda is, but not height.
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Post by LiamJR24 on Nov 25, 2013 22:11:32 GMT -5
I'm inclined to disagree. I think both attributes help the readers, and indeed the writers, visualise the look of the character. If, for example, Magnus Thunder was just described as "tall", and not 7'5", he wouldn't have the same impact on the viewer's imagination.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 25, 2013 22:14:13 GMT -5
Good point.
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Post by stryker on Nov 26, 2013 1:39:58 GMT -5
Alright since we seem to be on angreement on that, let me ask this. Pic bases. Is it better to have one that is very popular, ie Punk or Ziggler, or someone less popular, like an indy wrestler or japanese.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Nov 26, 2013 1:46:31 GMT -5
........I'm not sure to be honest. I have used both.
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