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Post by Papi El Sueno on May 8, 2013 10:39:08 GMT -5
Alright ladies and gentlemen, Yesterday when I was looking around on the PCW Twitter (thanks to the power of TweetDeck, and yes that was a cheap plug ), I had noticed a Tweet from a guy named Triple B (for those who have been around the block in fedding, he helps run E-Fed Knights and owns an interfed called the Championship Wrestling Council, or CWC for short) in my mentions saying he had something to discuss. Not going to lie, I was very interested in seeing what he had in mind and when it comes to PCW business, my interest peaks up about a thousand points, so I sent an email and lets just say what he and I discussed is a pretty big deal. I'll give ya the contents of the reply back below (since that's where the meat and potatoes of the whole deal is at). --------- James, Thanks for responding. I didn't see a contact email so Twitter I thought was my best bet. Sorry. Before I get into the reason for the email, let me introduce myself in case you don't know who I am. I'm Triple B. I'm one of the three founding members of oen of the most popular e-fedding communities on the interwebs, EFK (www.efedknights.com), former Admin of Roughkut, and owner of CWC (www.wearecwc.com). I am also owner and fed head of The VWF (www.thevwf.net), an e-fed that has been open for over 14 years now. If you are not familiar with who I am, I've been around for a little while. What I am emailing you about is my interfed, CWC. CWC has been around since 2009, with the current site and incarnation around since Jan 2010. Myself and T-Bone (My Co-Owner) ran it very successfully for years until last year we both stepped back from e-fedding, handing it over to others to fly the flag so to speak. Recently, both of us have returned to CWC, and have gone through a few changes in the last few weeks as we have put in the work to get the interfed to once again grow and flourish like it has under our care before. I was following affiliate links looking through feds to see if there were feds out there that I haven't encountered before, and I identified you as a potential fed that may be interested in working with us by joining CWC. We currently have 6 federations who are members, but are looking to significantly expand in the very near future. The question the arises, what the heck would you want to join up with an interfed? We offer to member feds: - Ability to post news and shows on our main page - Ability to recruit from individuals who post in our Free Agent system (outside feds not allowed to solicit) - An active section to discuss issues in your own feds to gather advice from numerous other unbiased fed-heads - Ability to book CWC Champions to compete in your own feds on your own shows, per approval. - Access to our Flakes section, where CWC Fed-Heads can post information about problem children in their own feds, away from the prying eyes of the public. - Participation of your roster to represent your fed on future CWC shows. You can have as much involvement in shows as you want. If your roster doesn't want to sign up for a show, that's fine. If you don't want to book CWC Champions on your shows, or have them compete for titles, that's fine too. The only requirements that we would ask of would be: - Fed-Head or Staff Member creates an account on the CWC forums and actively participates in Staff discussions and information. - Each fed posts it's results on the front page. News is optional but encouraged. - Link exchange with CWC and it's member feds. (Some forum based feds may not be able to comply with this, of which we would work around it) That's about it in a nutshell. Take a look, and let me know what you think either way. If you aren't interested, I understand and no hard feelings. If you are, we can discuss how to move forward. Thank you for your time, and I look forward to your response. -Triple B --------- I have read the email in full. My own opinion. I see the requirements and what it offers as a good deal. I have seen what it does for other feds (I like to look around) and it's proven to be really solid and getting more eyes drawn on PCW as a whole is never a bad thing (positivity that is). However, it is a pretty big decision and it's one I cannot make without talking to all of you about it. After all, you the handlers are what makes this place what it is and it wouldn't be fair to not let YOU guys have a say in it as well. One thing I will say is that if this deal is accepted, please be on your best behavior. I know I shouldn't have to say anything about this, but with the way things have happened in the past (and on Twitter as well), I do feel like I have to reinforce this and conduct wise, you are representing PCW and this is a pretty big deal I must say. Of course, I'm not saying anything will happen so yeah. Anyways, opinions are welcome and fire away at it, yo.
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Post by Sjin Drako on May 8, 2013 10:55:09 GMT -5
I know I am going to be the oddball in all the voting saying no, but mt history with CwC isn't good. I am not going to disclose the reasons (I didn't go apeshit or anything lol or start drama) but the last fed who did it I felt changed to much for me to be apart of. Now I understand that it's been running for years and if you guys do join as long as they don't come here (I know sounds like I am threatening but I am not) I will remind. I like this community and would rather not have a dickweed from another fed all up in our business saying he is the best and whatnot. Bothersome for me. In anycase the choice in the end is yours and of course the others. I know for a fact that I will get out voted but I had to voice my reasoning.
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Post by Dani on May 8, 2013 12:36:01 GMT -5
The way I see it, with how affiliations have worked for PCW in the past, at least on a major scale, it has me wary of another one happening with an interfed nonetheless. I can see the positivity it brings but at the same time, it can bring problems which PCW doesn't want or need. I vote no as PCW is fine just the way it is.
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Post by Syn on May 8, 2013 12:46:26 GMT -5
Much like the Danielle and Sijin, I'm weary of this deal. We just got through with one major affiliation that ended badly, and we run the risk of that happening here. On the other hand, it's good for business, and like you said, this could get PCW some much needed exposure.
I'll with hold on voting for now, but there are a lot of positives and negatives that could come from this.
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Post by Syn on May 8, 2013 12:46:39 GMT -5
.Much like the Danielle and Sijin, I'm weary of this deal. We just got through with one major affiliation that ended badly, and we run the risk of that happening here. On the other hand, it's good for business, and like you said, this could get PCW some much needed exposure.
I'll with hold on voting for now, but there are a lot of positives and negatives that could come from this
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Post by gzavadak on May 8, 2013 13:44:40 GMT -5
Figured I would weigh in on this. I have never really been a part of an interfed, but given the talent level that PCW has started to accrue over the past few months, any other free agents or members of the CWC universe that might come over could be exactly what this fed needs to become a truly elite member of the online fedding community.
I'm going to make the following proposal. I understand that a lot of us may be wary of change, but hear me out on this. I placed the first yes vote, simply because of what I think being a part of an interfed related to E-Fed Knights could do for PCW's overall reputation. I would say that we join, but we do so with a sort of probationary period. I say that we give the relationship a number of months to give it a sort of test run. At the end of the pre-determined period, we then put forward a vote on whether we choose to discontinue our affiliation or to become a full on affiliate.
Granted, I know that there are probably some kinks that would probably have to be worked on in such an arrangement, but I figure that it's a safe middle ground to play. If we are happy with the relationship at the end of the probationary period, we go all-in. If a majority feel otherwise, then it's as if it never happened, no harm no foul. Let me know what you folks think on this.
-George
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Post by cyborg878 on May 8, 2013 15:48:58 GMT -5
I can definitely see the benefits of this arrangement. It gets PCW's out there, and gets a huge boost in reputation for the fed.
However think about how our past relationships have been. THW, WKF both went downhill. I don't know if now is the right time to get back into an interfed relationship. As for the members situation, we haven't had an issue getting members to join. I also worry that the 'champions' from other CWC feds would be given special attention, taking away from the roster we already have.
I, like Tom, will be holding my vote for now.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on May 8, 2013 16:00:26 GMT -5
Sorry, but I have to vote ''no''. I feel PCW should be it's own company.
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Post by Dee on May 8, 2013 16:07:10 GMT -5
I can see the benefits of accepting the offer. The fed I was in back in 2007 was a part of a smaller interfed and it worked wonders back then. Although in the same point, I can see why there are those who are reserved on the topic. And with how PCW has fared with it's most recent affiliation, like Cyborg, I'm not sure if now would be the time to get back into an affiliation thing with anybody for that matter.
I'm going to hold my vote for now.
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Post by Leon Lonewolf on May 8, 2013 16:55:20 GMT -5
There are pros and cons for this so lemme list them
Pros:
Advertisement Recruitment More friendly faces More feedback on shows we're talking about one of the biggest Efed-related sites out there, think NWA of e-fedding
Cons: Sketchy Past issues with TWF may occur again past issues with WKF may occur again more potential for drama slandering of our good name for no reason (ie: Vinny O'McFuckface)
Im not holding my vote, but im not saying yes or no. Im agreeing with George. Let's give it a test drive, say 2-4 months. If we like it, we continue. If we don't, we leave. As long as We arent the ones causing us to not like it, its all good (and knowing us, we dont cause drama. We end it) Therefore, there's no harm or foul if we do a demo run with it for a bit.
I rest my case
The Angel Has Spoken...
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Post by LiamJR24 on May 8, 2013 19:29:08 GMT -5
I'm not going to vote (for reasons that are known to a few), but if I were my inclination would be no based on the past experiences with the OTHER place and WKF. PCW seems to do well on its own, it's attracting new roster members every week & there are a good number of people behind the scenes etc.
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Post by Draven Logan Kennedy on May 9, 2013 4:09:52 GMT -5
james i figured i had to say something to this myself you know im a man that says what is need when the time comes i know im not the most active person but i can say this i agree to dissagree
every time we have tried this it has turned to shit complete and utter choas the advertisement for PCW is great but still that might and with a high reason i believe bring more shit then what its worth in the longer run it has been almost 3 years since the formation of pcw and im not gonna let you kill it this way and you know if you want to question that text me and i will explain it. yeah we do need the at one point freshness to the rooster but is that bit of freshness loosing what every single person on this rooster has helped build and helping it run so smooth so please james for once listen to me and dont do it not even a trial run.
so i suppose my vote is no i agree with nate danille and tom ryan we have seen what it has done and we dont want to go through that again this time could be the one to kill us.
not trying to piss you off bro like you say no sugar coat cold heart truth and facts but the decision is yours to make
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Post by Al Pérez on May 9, 2013 14:31:39 GMT -5
Sorry, but I have to vote ''no''. I feel PCW should be it's own company. I think I should shed some light because along with Dee, I was in a fed that was a part of a smaller like interfed in 2007 (actually Dee and I were in the same fed together). By no means would James relinquish control of PCW, nor would it die out or anything. What I've gathered is that the CWC is like what the NWA was in it's height of popularity. A governing body that is kind of an alliance of feds whom while run as their own entity, they are a part of the NWA like alliance (think of the old territory days before the WWF went all national). Speaking from an in character source. PCW is by no means a regional promotion. It's displayed as a large promotion much like the WWE is today and it would not make any sense for PCW to do such a thing knowing in character, PCW is a very very large promotion and should not in any way be displayed as a secondary regional fed for a governing alliance. Out of character wise. I won't vote on the manner and I know the benefits that are listed can be good for the fed. However like everybody has said, there are huge risks involved and knowing the history of PCW despite not exactly being around for the longest of times. I would be inclined to say no just on the basis of how badly alliances have been for the fed in the past and as Nathan stated, is now really the time to start another one up? That's also another question that should be asked into it.
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Post by SJ Funk on May 9, 2013 14:51:22 GMT -5
OKAY FELLLAS, AND LADIES!
Damn caps... Anyway, although, I know my opinion doesn't really count for much with my absence.... Okay absences... But I feel, that, having been part of an "Interfed" before. I feel I could shed some more info on issues that could occur - and things that may benefit this place.
First off, my experiences were with the WfWA, way back. Now that place was great to be part of most of the time, sometimes it wasn't.
I was there for a lengthy time, never got anyway in regards to being top lister within the whole interfed thing. But I got experience from it and took the whole thing on board.
So here goes.
PCW has done great since coming back, its still going and going strong. Does it need to be part of an interfed alliance? Not really. Would it really benefit PCW? Maybe.
Now, as alot of you have put it down, PCW have gone through two rough patches with "AFFILIATES", and that is causing you to be weary. Of course it doesn't surprise me. I wasn't here when the "shit hit the fan" so I don't know what happened. But seeing what you guys are saying, it's obvious things were bad. Now affiliation does not work really in the same instance in interfeds. Why? Because all feds that work under the MAIN FED are separate but at the same time joined.
When I was writing in EWC then SWF within the WfWA, everybody seemed to treat each other with respect. Everyone would joke on, and everyone could talk to each other. This wasn't just within one fed, but with other fed members. Nobody recruited someone from another fed within the alliance. Nobody belittled any of the feds. (Apart from in character of course).
The way things work, which I don't feel was explained in much detail, the main alliance fed, would host big ppvs every so often. In which the main fed titles would be put on the line, where the holder would face off against competition from people from other feds. Or for cups and such. Also while that happened, every month or so, a different fed would get to host a "title match" for one of the alliance titles, where the holder would face someone for the title who was actually from the hosting fed. (Picked by the feds own fed head rather than that of the alliance.) - Yes I know this is an assumption made on the way wfwa worked back then..
So in saying that, if cWc works in the same way, then it would be a good thing for people within PCW, in that they would not only get to compete for the PCW titles, but also compete for the interfed titles in which they represent the PCW. It will also give this place more traffic in regards to the website (whether you use the newer version from JB or if I get round to being able to update my one.- which ever people want.) But also on the forums?!? This last part should be mentioned only as a potential - I'll explain shortly.
So not only do people get to represent PCW in an "alliance warzone" (friendly of course) in regards to fighting others for the titles or even competing on the inter-feds shows. It can also give those who want to (with approval), to be able to represent PCW in the other feds in the place, and vice-versa, people can come to PCW to be kicked in the arse by you guys.
So all in all, it does sound like it could benefit the PCW, not just the fed but each one of you guys as a handler.
However... There are some cons too.
Firstly, I'll go back to the point with the forums. Every fed within the WfWA had its own forum, however this was a sub-section of the WfWA's own larger forum. So, the way they were set-up was simple. WfWA things at the top including ooc boards and stuff then the WfWA incharacter forums, then you would have another section for the first fed - RP boards, PPV Rp boards, OOC stuff. Then the second and so on. So joining cWc could have the same thing - with one board. Although a con, could be a benefit - as the other feds would get to be able to view our rps and see who we are and what we're about. However, it does limit the PCWs own private in house stuff.
2nd up, is the potential for handlers to become burnt-out quicker and more susceptible to writerblock. - Why? An increase in workload. With the chance to compete in other feds in week offs from PCW, also have the interfeds shows, which add to the workload. Which could increase rp's from 1-2 per person, right up to about 4-5 per two weeks. It doesn't sound much, but when you start doing it for a while, it takes it tool and your rp's do progressively deteriate. Sure some people can handle that much, but those who dont have enough spare time for it, find it harder. Again, this may not happen though. But I ask you all, who hasn't been burned out when it comes to RP's I know I have countless times.
3rd of all, there is the chance for things to go tits up. It's not likely to be like the affiliate issue, but can be smaller, or even more blown up. But it depends on the next issue really and that is favouritism. WfWA, although tried to be as fair as possible. There did tend to be a lot of favouritism in title shot selection (Rp wise not on judging.)Now I don't know cWc nor the people over there, so I can't say whether there will be this, or if it is like this already, all I know is that this could cause bitchiness and could sound off horns. (But again. WfWA had it and it lasted a long time.
= Now, in regards to your comment Nate, about cWc champions being given special attention.. Your worry although I can understand it, is something that would be hard to argue for. If PCW were to join the cWc. cWc would be the big company, sort of like, NWA. However with NWA they used TNA as its flagship. Efeds tend not to, but TNA when part of NWA, would allow its superstars to travel round the place, for title defences against people from the other NWA members. So it would seem harsh on everyone in PCW, but when hosting a cWc champion. It would be against a guy from PCW, potentially for a title match, hell even hosting a number one contendership for a PCW title, would be given special attention. However, this is not likely to happen on every show, or ever PCW ppv.
I suppose, it will feel weird having another champion in here being big-up'd than this place's own active roster, but if you think that it is going to be a champion for the "alliance" that PCW will be "working under" (That is in character of course) And not like it would be if say, a champion from one of the affiliates previously had for PCW came here to gloat about his fed being better. - Again, its not likely that, that stuff with cWc champs will happen every single PCW show. Hell, I can remember in SWF, going several months with no interaction on the show from the WfWA title holders with the roster. (Again, this is not to bash, or belittle you Nate, I just wanted to clear how host cWc champs is likely to work.)
- In summary. There are pro's, there are cons for it. Everyone is for obvious reasons going to be dubious about it. But to re-iterate, if cWc is hosted like an interfed/alliance fed should be, then it is not going to be ran like one of our previous affiliates. Which, seeing the last one (when I was here) worked.. Was worked too much like WCW against the NWO, or for better comparison, WWF (Thats right I said F) against the WCW/ECW invasion. Too much intertangle of the two feds.
As for which way I vote.... I'm not voting. Why? I don't think I deserve to have a say in whether or not this place moves to an interfed thing, as I'm not active, and haven't been around much. (Hopefully this will be changing). I just thought, I'd share my past experiences and what would be a benefit and what is a potential hazard.
Hope this helps you all think about it more though.
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Post by Sjin Drako on May 11, 2013 12:07:58 GMT -5
You should lock this to efed members online. People can just join up from the interfed and up vote this if need be.
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Post by Papi El Sueno on May 11, 2013 12:18:21 GMT -5
I'm going to lock the poll anyways as after reading all the responses in the thread and having the proper time to really think about it, I have come with a decision on this topic. One I will announce after I get Rapture posted.
Which means I will provide an email back to Triple B around 5 or 6 PM Central Standard time.
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Post by tripleb on May 11, 2013 12:24:38 GMT -5
Hello there.
Hope it's ok that I created the account here, but I was reading through the thread and just wanted to chime something in, as it looks like some of you guys might have been salty on affiliations in the past.
Nobody from CWC is going to come over here and get in your guys' business, and nobody is even requiring you to come over and post on our forums. We'd LIKE you to, but that's not a requirement of any fed joining up.
Theoretically, James could just join the forums himself, post his news and links to the results, recruit in the Free Agency section, and never have a single PCW wrestler come over. In fact, we used to have a fed called Political Wrestling that was run entirely by 1 guy putting shows and stuff up, basically as a fan-fiction type deal.
Your talent here CAN sign up for participation in a CWC show. You can book a CWC Champion to defend his belt against one of your talent either on your show here, or on a CWC show. But those would be the only scenarios where the roster would interact with CWC stuff.
I'm not sure what happened with Drako and CWC, but I'd be more than willing to hear what happened via email at tripleb@thevwf.net . Most of the time when situations arise, it's a misunderstanding. At the least, I'd be able to put a name to a face so I know where you're coming from.
Anyway, personally, I appreciate the debate going on. But, I just felt the need to chime in, because it kind of felt that maybe you guys thought that joining CWC was going to be a huge commitment that would reshape your site. We're not interested in doing that at all.
I'm not saying CWC is perfect. I'm sure at some point there will be someone causing drama somewhere. I'm sure someone will lose a match they thought they should have won and flip out. That stuff happens sometimes. But, it's an opportunity for you guys to get your name out there a bit more, and get as much exposure out of it as you would like to put into it. That's all.
I look forward to a final decision, and if it's a no, no hard feelings at all. In fact, non-member feds still have an opportunity to post news at least on the forums, and talent can participate in CWC shows, just not able to represent a non-member fed.
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Post by tripleb on May 11, 2013 12:25:26 GMT -5
You should lock this to efed members online. People can just join up from the interfed and up vote this if need be. And nobody would do that.
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Post by cyborg878 on May 11, 2013 12:41:41 GMT -5
I'm willing to consider giving my vote as a yes, after Triple B's post. I have been convinced.
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Post by Sjin Drako on May 11, 2013 13:12:14 GMT -5
Its cool that TribleB posted, but I still stand. I'm not going to get into it. What is past is past but you still have memories and learn from them. That is why I am against it sorry. Again this is not my federation so I can not make the final decision. Nevertheless. I feel this federation has done great things by itself. I know in life you need to rely on others but when something like this grows by itself even after all the mishaps it has had with past people, and federations. I still feel this federation is best left alone.
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Post by Papi El Sueno on May 11, 2013 19:46:37 GMT -5
Alright ladies and gents,
I have officially sent the email to Triple B in regards of the CWC offer. Not going to lie, it took a long time to deliberate and I had to think long and hard about this as well as read everybody's posts. My verdict on the ordeal. After reading some posts in here, I have decided to accept the offer of PCW being a part of it. I know there are some that aren't keen about it and I do understand, but I do look at it from a "getting our name out there" type of thing. Not to mention like George said in the thread, given the talent we have gotten over the last few months, being a part of the CWC could be what we need to get PCW to truly be an elite member of the online fedding community.
Note that with the choice of yes, PCW will always and forever be the same PCW it was from the first time it was formed. Everything around here will be the same as it is right now.
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