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Post by Papi El Sueno on Sept 2, 2012 12:58:50 GMT -5
Ya'll know what it is... okay, maybe you don't but this is the part where you are to be filled in. The Premium Roundtable is a roundtable like discussion that can pertain to any type of topic. Whether it's e-fedding related, or something that's not even about fedding at all.
For every episode of the Roundtable, we seek 3-5 PCW members to participate for a particular episode. The person who starts the said roundtable episode (either myself or one of the participants) posts a description on what the topic is and then the participants post their thoughts. Roundtable episodes are to be held once a week for the most part unless otherwise.
With that said... let's get the ball rolling on this thing. Who wants to sign up and what topic shall be discuss for the first episode of the Premium Roundtable?
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Post by cyborg878 on Sept 2, 2012 13:02:26 GMT -5
As I came up with the method of doing this, of course I want in!
We could go with Greatest Heels, Greatest Faces, Best Rookies, Worst Gimmicks, Best Gimmicks, Heatseekers.
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Post by stryker on Sept 2, 2012 13:20:04 GMT -5
i'll join in
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 13:27:35 GMT -5
If you'd like to, I'm joining.
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Post by LiamJR24 on Sept 2, 2012 13:38:39 GMT -5
You have my bow.
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Post by Papi El Sueno on Sept 2, 2012 13:50:38 GMT -5
Premium Roundtable Episode 1: Worst Gimmicks in E-Wrestling
The topic of discussion for this episode of The Premium Roundtable is about the Worst gimmicks in e-fedding and why you believe it is the worst gimmick. Each member is allowed their discussion point and if you even want a debate during these discussions... state so and we'll have a healthy debate on whether they disagree or agree about a particular discussion.
And... let's discuss.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 13:55:54 GMT -5
Definitely Bob Osbourne. The guy was bland, only coasted on being the son of an infamous wrestler, and had little to no originality of his own. Plus he copied the moves and the catchphrases of his father.
I mean, if you want to have a wrestler, at least don't make them flat. Give them their own backstory, something that might make them stand out from the rest, no matter how stupid (Mariano Fernandez/Chemical X/Roland Ulv), evil (Syn/Draven Logan Kennedy), or mysterious (Sickboy) it has to be. The idea is that the character you create is unique, even if based on something else.
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Post by cyborg878 on Sept 2, 2012 14:01:06 GMT -5
I actually have to agree. I mean yes I admit Nitemare Damon Warrens has borrowed things from the Rob Osbourne character, but unlike with Bob Osbourne, I have made it unique, a parody gimmick.
Bob however had nothing going for him other than his last name. The most interesting thing about the character, was maybe his obsession with breasts.
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Post by Papi El Sueno on Sept 2, 2012 14:04:21 GMT -5
I have a lot of choices as to what the worst gimmick in e-wrestling is, but I'm gonna have to go with Jake Norton. And no, not PCW jobber Jake Norton. I'm talking about the character the jobber was based from. During that whole Violent Society thing, there were some characters there that were beyond atrocious, but Norton's was the worst for me. I know any type of character can be done, but Norton is the type that would make actual racists be ashamed. It relied purely on "Shock Value". There was no substance there. Just a boring diatribe of vulgarity, explaining his hatred for black people and raping women until they bleed down there.
There are the ones that have the Shock Value and make an impact (Brian Adams, Keith Daniels, The Elite and others) and then there are the ones that do it for the sake of doing it (Norton). Like Mariano said, the idea is that the character you create is unique, even if based on something else.
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Post by cyborg878 on Sept 2, 2012 14:11:09 GMT -5
I'm going to toss out one from left field. Disturbed. Now the idea behind the gimmick was good in theory, the sick twisted guy who had no problems doing anything to win. Sure at this point we already had Draven, but at least Disturbed was interesting.
Now where the gimmick fell sour for me was when, it seemed as a part of his gimmick, he played too much on the fact that he was named disturbed. This action was disturbing to him, society disturbed him, he was disturbed, I'm disturbed, you're disturbed. What could have been an interesting character, became one of the most annoying characters, in my opinion, because of over repitition.
I mean yes, if you're in a certain gimmick, there's a certain amount of repitition, like catch phrases. However, you don't see Liam telling everyone how he will Redeem PCW ever sentence. Damon doesn't talk about how Life is paiN every couple words. Mariano doesn't shout "JUSTICE SHALL PREVAIL!" every time he opens his mouth on the shows. Disturbed took this repitition to , dare I say it, a disturbing level.
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Post by Papi El Sueno on Sept 2, 2012 14:16:48 GMT -5
Nathan's honorable mention reminds me of one Chris Lane. Why I didn't mention him earlier, I don't know but my god, that character was horrible. All it ever did was the repetition of backstage greetings with another wrestler, say good luck and have the character they were given permission to use, uncharacteristically wink at them like they're the shit. There was no style, no substance and the RP's were lame as shit. It was a very annoying character and well... that's why we make fun of it here.
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Post by Yoshiru Long on Sept 2, 2012 14:19:05 GMT -5
I can't remember the character's name now, and he was very short-lived. But in CWF, we had one of the bigger names (Chris Reinhardt/G-Pac) come back to CWF with a new character. Now, Chris Reinhardt was the usual trash-talker, but he wasn't bad...same with G-Pac. The idea behind the new character (which Xamin explained to me) was that he would be a cyborg. Not like Ryback style of cyborg, but an actual cyborg. To me, this was probably the worst gimmick just because of how unrealistic it made things.
On a side note, Bob Osbourne was definitely a one dimentional copy of a character and could possibly be one of the worst gimmicks I have seen in over a decade.
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Post by LiamJR24 on Sept 2, 2012 14:20:14 GMT -5
The worst gimmick I've ever come across was, unsurprisingly, in WKF. A wrestler by the name of Chaos, who I can't really say had anything to his gimmick other than shouting and whooping at the crowd. It's a stretch to say he even had a gimmick to start with, most of his promos consisted of shouting "YEAH!" at the crowd, which is great if the crowd are into it, but gets a bit stale after the first couple of shows.
Eventually he changed his gimmick to some priest of the religion of Chaos, which was an improvement, but it was never a gimmick that really developed and he just shot the same promos all the time. As much as characters can be stupid or just bad, that's better than being boring and unremarkable in my opinion.
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Post by stryker on Sept 2, 2012 14:20:47 GMT -5
The worst gimmick i ever seen was this kid from my last named Boy. Now this wasn't a bad gimmick because he was awful, well not completely. He was a kid from sweden so he would translate his rps after he typed them and they would become just ridiculously bad. He would do and say things that wouldn't make sense. For example one time he said he "Threw fire and threw wall."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 14:20:49 GMT -5
Nathan's honorable mention reminds me of one Chris Lane. Why I didn't mention him earlier, I don't know but my god, that character was horrible. All it ever did was the repetition of backstage greetings with another wrestler, say good luck and have the character they were given permission to use, uncharacteristically wink at them like they're the shit. There was no style, no substance and the RP's were lame as shit. It was a very annoying character and well... that's why we make fun of it here. And let's not forget about Uno, Dos, Tres, Cabrito. That was an entirely done-on-the-fly attempt to portray a Mexican Luchador, with pointless and nonsensical results. I would also mention Jordi Davies, but i dont spaek bonzhuntese. |
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Post by cyborg878 on Sept 2, 2012 14:28:38 GMT -5
Okay, so I may be the first one here to take look at a bad gimmick of a member of the roundtable.
The White Knight was what he sounded like...well kind of. He embodied the principles of a knight, fighting for honour and justice, but he was dressed like a power ranger. Now In Japan based companies wrestling as a power ranger may seem normal, but not in U.S. based ones.
But here was this guy that ran around saving people dressed as a freaking power ranger. But, it worked. Why? Because Mariano Fernandez made it work. He was a nerd, hence the ranger costume, but he believed in fighting like a knight.
Now where the gimmick didn't work so well, was the Crimson Ghost. Where Aaron Warrens debuted, mocking Mariano, dressed as a red thunder ranger. It didn't work for Aaron at first, because nerdy ranger costume, plus a non-nerdy very serious person, does not mix well. Thankfully Aaron was changed to become much more serious during the Deadly Sins, and has turned the Crimson Ghost nickname into a more serious character.
Yeah I am the first to admit, the original idea behind the Crimson Ghost, not so great.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 14:33:26 GMT -5
Okay, so I may be the first one here to take look at a bad gimmick of a member of the roundtable. The White Knight was what he sounded like...well kind of. He embodied the principles of a knight, fighting for honour and justice, but he was dressed like a power ranger. Now In Japan based companies wrestling as a power ranger may seem normal, but not in U.S. based ones. But here was this guy that ran around saving people dressed as a freaking power ranger. But, it worked. Why? Because Mariano Fernandez made it work. He was a nerd, hence the ranger costume, but he believed in fighting like a knight. Now where the gimmick didn't work so well, was the Crimson Ghost. Where Aaron Warrens debuted, mocking Mariano, dressed as a red thunder ranger. It didn't work for Aaron at first, because nerdy ranger costume, plus a non-nerdy very serious person, does not mix well. Thankfully Aaron was changed to become much more serious during the Deadly Sins, and has turned the Crimson Ghost nickname into a more serious character. Yeah I am the first to admit, the original idea behind the Crimson Ghost, not so great. One note on the White Knight while we're at it.  It's no secret that the Double Dragons don't really work, but I did really want to do something right with a Power Ranger concept. Plus, Crader had already said "this is shit, not gonna work" about many ideas I had, and I continued to prove him otherwise in the CWF. Plus it would add to the ridiculous factor that I beat him. Oddly enough, he portrayed me right in a strat he wrote, so I rather have to thank him for actually making it work. ;D |
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Post by LiamJR24 on Sept 2, 2012 14:36:22 GMT -5
I'm sure we've all come up with some shockers in our time. The Icon was hardly the best gimmick. I might've made it work in time, had PCW not closed its doors, but the "I'm better than you" gimmick that I had going on was overshadowed by the far superior Elite, which just showed the gimmick up as the crap that it was at the time.
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Post by Papi El Sueno on Sept 2, 2012 14:39:29 GMT -5
In defense of the Uno, Dos, Tres, Cabrito character. While it may have been Paul Blair disguised as a Luchadore, the execution wasn't exactly the greatest thing ever.
Speaking of bonzhuntese... Buzz Wolfe. God damn, that was horrible. Of course, can we just say bonzhunt in general? Because either way, it sucks.
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Post by cyborg878 on Sept 2, 2012 14:41:26 GMT -5
I'm sure we've all come up with some shockers in our time. The Icon was hardly the best gimmick. I might've made it work in time, had PCW not closed its doors, but the "I'm better than you" gimmick that I had going on was overshadowed by the far superior Elite, which just showed the gimmick up as the crap that it was at the time. I wouldn't say that The Icon was crap at all, not even at the time. I think the lack of success of that gimmick came down to two factors. 1. Lack of time developing it. Like you said, PCW closed it's doors not too too long after The Icon started, so you never got to develop the character as well as you could have. 2. The Elite. The Elite already had taken the spotlight as the top heels in PCW and their conceited attitudes over powered a lot of other heels. Due to how successful The Elite were, it was hard for other heels to break out from the shadows and steal their own spotlight. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 14:43:11 GMT -5
In defense of the Uno, Dos, Tres, Cabrito character. While it may have been Paul Blair disguised as a Luchadore, the execution wasn't exactly the greatest thing ever. Speaking of bonzhuntese... Buzz Wolfe. God damn, that was horrible. Of course, can we just say bonzhunt in general? Because either way, it sucks. Paul Blair? That's news to me. So it was him all along, eh? That made me lose some respect for him, after calling us PCWhatever. Turns out he was a turncoat since the beginning. As for the gimmick of Paul Blair himself, I don't believe he took it seriously, thus nobody did ever take him seriously either, at least when we knew him. |
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Post by Papi El Sueno on Sept 2, 2012 15:02:24 GMT -5
Paul Blair? That's news to me. So it was him all along, eh? That made me lose some respect for him, after calling us PCWhatever. Turns out he was a turncoat since the beginning. As for the gimmick of Paul Blair himself, I don't believe he took it seriously, thus nobody did ever take him seriously either, at least when we knew him. Yes. Blair was behind this. I got confirmation from that from Mark (Israel Steele) when that whole bullshit happened between PCW and Crader. Speaking of the Paul Blair gimmick. I agree with that. That's the impression I got when he no-showed every single contest I was booked against him. While I have nothing against the handler in general, the PCWhatever comment made me lose some respect from him. |
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Post by Dani on Sept 3, 2012 13:05:18 GMT -5
For me, it is definitely Disturbed as the worst/most annoying gimmick ever. While the idea was intriguing, the execution was horrible. Saying the word Disturbed over and over and over again to the point where you just don't want to ever read the person's material. To top it all off, the material wasn't really anything to write home about.
Honorable mentions go out to Chris Lane, Jerry Static and Rocky Davis.
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Post by LiamJR24 on Sept 4, 2012 23:58:52 GMT -5
A conversation in the chat reminded me of another pile of crap that I'd forgotten. Back in the bad old days of WKF, I was responsible for a character by the name of Xavier Donovan, who was supposed to rescue WKF from The Disciples of Syn with a collection of other wrestlers who were collectively known as The Resistance, which comprised Donovan and a bunch of wrestlers who turned face for no reason. The Resistance gimmick got hijacked by the owner of the fed, who basically turned it into a background for a title feud involving his friend. So the Donovan character faded into the crowd of bland gimmicks that polluted WKF's mid-card and the Resistance angle became practically obsolete.
Speaking of bland WKF gimmicks, a special mention must go to Bromance, whose gimmick was simply they were childhood friends who grew up together and became wrestlers. That was it. Literally, that was the gimmick. Apparently though, this was good enough for them to win the WKF Tag Team titles (which I'm sure had nothing to do with the fact that they were handled by the owner of the fed).
However, after thinking on it, I'd nominate Richard Dweck as the worst gimmick I've ever encountered.
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Post by Dani on Sept 5, 2012 0:17:12 GMT -5
Oh god. This totally reminds me of a recent gimmick that was here. The Three Ninjas. I know in theory it doesn't sound like much but they ripped off everything from the damn movie. The name of the characters and everything and it was boring. The writing was just jacked up horrible.
A couple of mentions from the old YCW days (Note: I'm the only active RP'er from that entire fed's tenure that's still here and successful in PCW). I thought the Orlando Cruz character was well... whack. It was a complete rip off of Homicide and the guy handling the character just wasn't really a good RP'er. Why he held the title and other deserving people didn't? I don't know. Another boring set of characters were John Allister and David James. Yes they are handled by the one who handled Bob Osbourne, but they didn't have much depth. One thing I will say is that a singles run for Allister was better than a tag stint. I would go on to say that the majority of the characters there (save for Osiris, Baller, Phillip, Redgate, myself and David Crader's character Kerry Collins) were well... boring and just uneventful.
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Post by Draven Logan Kennedy on Sept 14, 2012 2:30:46 GMT -5
In the 13 years of my feding I had a really stupid gimmick I was king draven the king of nothing later dropped the king of nothing and and Logan Kennedy. Just thinking back on it is making me want to shoot myself lol
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Post by cyborg878 on Feb 8, 2013 21:40:18 GMT -5
Alrighty I think it's about time the Premium Roundtable Returns!
Time for a new round and a new topic!
Last round we discussed the worst gimmicks of e-fedding. Now we will go to the opposite pole and talk about some of the greatest gimmicks we have ever seen.
I guess I'll start off with one. In my opinion one of the best gimmicks I've seen has been Syn. I'm a sucker for Raven like gimmicks. He's dark, he's 'controversial'. Out of everyone I've seen try to do the dark gimmick, he has done the best in my opinion.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Feb 8, 2013 22:55:20 GMT -5
hmmm.............greatest gimmick I have ever seen................well, I'm also a sucker for dark gimmicks, so I'm going to have to agree with Nate and say Syn. I also think Syn's gimmick is very original for a wrestling gimmick. I don't believe anyone has ever been based off the joker before. I believe Syn is the only person who has done that gimmick in both e fedding and in real life wrestling, but I could be overlooking someone. I also like how he is evil yet he's a gentle man. Very interesting.
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Post by cyborg878 on Feb 8, 2013 23:04:04 GMT -5
Now I'm going to drop a name that won't shock people. One of my favourite, and possibly my absolute favourite character, is Danielle Lopez. Now obviously I'm a bit biased in the sense Danielle is my "E-BFF" and she was my first major feud in PCW. However looking at her character since PCW started it's been solid. She is a great all around fighter, she isn't afraid to go extreme. Danielle spearheaded women's involvement in PCW alongside Heather Monroe, Desiree Miles, and Talia Skye ( sidenote: all those names were in one of my favourite stables the Black Rose Mafia). Danielle has evolved as a character, going from a savy manager to a serious in-ring threat. She walked out of the shadow of Da Dynasty and made a name for herself in her own stable Team Lethality. Her recent change in attitude is great as well, she's brutally honest, but still the fan-favourite that we've loved her as.
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Post by DudeBehindAKeyboard on Feb 8, 2013 23:12:05 GMT -5
indeed, I was already a fan of Danielle when she had her good girl gimmick, but I think this change, and her being more aggressive is a good move. I know I have already stated that with a few people, but figured I would state it on here too......also if I may correct myself......Sting had the Joker gimmick as ''the Insane Icon'' but Tom started RPing before Sting had that gimmick......and Syn is evil which works better for the Joker gimmick in my opinion.
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